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GRLS
Jun 13, 2008 9:29:21 GMT -5
Post by benj87 on Jun 13, 2008 9:29:21 GMT -5
i like the idea of dkp etc etc, but since its a "nice friendly" guild shouldnt we apply need before greed? why should a mage get a good sword when we all know a tank or semi-tank could put it to much better use than making a few pp?
To become a better firmer guild shouldnt we approach looting in a more socialist manner?
the way i see it if we help eachother more than ourselves we then already have the foundation for a good solid guild.
any thoughts??
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Golad
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GRLS
Jun 13, 2008 11:29:43 GMT -5
Post by Golad on Jun 13, 2008 11:29:43 GMT -5
From what I understand, we'll be using need before greed system, along with the dkp. Not to mention, if we want to progress, which I think we all do, we will have to be more need before greed.
Socialist manner? Uhm...elighten me more on your thoughts please.
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GRLS
Jun 13, 2008 11:37:48 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 13, 2008 11:37:48 GMT -5
We will do a need before greed DKP system.
But, say a AC 10 Breastplate drops, and two guys wants it. They both can wear it. Say one guy has an AC 4 Breastplate and the other guy has an AC 9 Breastplate. The guy with the AC 4 Breastplate offers all the points he has, 5 points. The guy with the AC 9 Breastplate offers 6 points. The guy with the AC 9 Breastplate will win it. So even though the guy with the AC 4 breastplate had worse, the guy with the AC 9 Breastplate still wins it. As long as it's an upgrade, you can still go for it.
And if the AC 9 Breastplate wasn't No Drop, one would think he would let the guy with the AC 4 breastplate borrow his old one. ;D
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Golad
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GRLS
Jun 13, 2008 15:25:18 GMT -5
Post by Golad on Jun 13, 2008 15:25:18 GMT -5
That's what I ment. Wasn't quite sure how to put it, but you pretty much stole the words straight from my mouth. =)
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GRLS
Jun 15, 2008 8:41:05 GMT -5
Post by Aaniadyen on Jun 15, 2008 8:41:05 GMT -5
What if by selling an item an undergeared player can buy something worthwhile for his class?
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Jun 15, 2008 13:09:43 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 15, 2008 13:09:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry... don't really know what you are saying but I will take a wild guess:
If a guy gets an upgrade, and say, he is missing boots. Shouldn't he sell the item he upgraded and buy a pair of boots? Is that what you are asking?
The answer is yes, he can do that and he should if he is missing boots or any other item slot. But if you can easily afford a pair of boots and just want to sell the item you upgraded for an alt or give it to a friend when a guildie can easily use it, that isn't cool.
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GRLS
Jun 17, 2008 10:26:53 GMT -5
Post by Aaniadyen on Jun 17, 2008 10:26:53 GMT -5
What I'm saying is if something drops that's only a slight, or minor upgrade for someone, shouldn't it go to someone else who is undergeared and could sell it to get a better upgrade for himself?
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GRLS
Jun 17, 2008 21:34:49 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 17, 2008 21:34:49 GMT -5
I completely see what you are saying, but you also must understand. This is a DKP system. As long as it is an upgrade, the person can get it as long as he outbids everyone else. I am not going to take an upgrade away from someone who has been going to every raid for the past two months just because we have a new guy going on his first raid and isn't geared very well. I personally don't think I would want to be the judge of that.
Like what's posted on the GRLS page on the guild website, the system is fullproof 95% of the time.
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GRLS
Jun 19, 2008 11:42:16 GMT -5
Post by dalkice on Jun 19, 2008 11:42:16 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly support the idea of a NBG DKP system (Holy Acronyms, Batman!), as it's what my guild on EQ2 uses, and we've yet to have a problem. First every character that can use it is allowed to make open bids, then if no mains need it, alts can bid on it, and if no alts need it, it gets transmuted. Works well for us.
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GRLS
Jun 19, 2008 12:58:28 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 19, 2008 12:58:28 GMT -5
In general, I like the idea of having mains get gear before alts.
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GRLS
Jun 20, 2008 12:40:44 GMT -5
Post by Aaniadyen on Jun 20, 2008 12:40:44 GMT -5
In general, I like the idea of having mains get gear before alts. Not to be offensive or anything, but the idea of alts getting gear before mains is completely ridiculous. I'm not saying anything about raid attendance, or time spent in the guild. I am saying, assume two people have been to every raid, and been in the guild for equal amounts of time. One of them has average gear, the other has sub-par gear. An item that is a minor upgrade for the first player drops, but the second player could sell it to theoretically buy something that is a major upgrade. Who gets to loot on it? Player one, or two? I'm not trying to heckle you or anything, I'm just asking a question.
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GRLS
Jun 20, 2008 13:15:28 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 20, 2008 13:15:28 GMT -5
Like I said, as long as it's an upgrade, and as long as both are mains or both are alts, then either can get it as long as they win the bid. I would then think the guy that just won the item would give his old piece of equipment to the guy that lost the bid until the guy gets an upgrade so he can give the piece of equipment back. It is not like the guy who loses the roll will never have a chance at getting another item, he still gets a guild point. I also don't want to be a judge on who deserves what so people can argue with me, etc. You see where I am getting at?
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Jun 20, 2008 22:57:22 GMT -5
Post by Aaniadyen on Jun 20, 2008 22:57:22 GMT -5
Ugh, I fail at interwebs. I should really start sleeping. Sorry, my real question is would it prevent player two from getting it if he couldn't equip it while player one could?
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Jun 25, 2008 13:56:43 GMT -5
Post by MacBook on Jun 25, 2008 13:56:43 GMT -5
If a player cannot equip an item, or cannot use it for a quest or tradeskill, then he cannot bid for the item as long as someone else who can use it wants/needs it.
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Golad
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Jul 4, 2008 16:02:05 GMT -5
Post by Golad on Jul 4, 2008 16:02:05 GMT -5
I have just though of this. When Kunark is opened, I plan to roll Ikky Monk. I would like him to become my main. How would that work when it comes to GRLS? Would that character start from scratch, would it be possible to transfer a number of points over from the other toon if we have raided at all yet (xfer cap could be set), or will all the points go to the player, not the character, to be used on whatever toon he is raiding with at the time?
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